Tuesday, October 21, 2008

oldies but goodies: back to the Dem Denver convention

Observations from Chuck Muth...

* And what exactly has prepared Barack Obama to face off against the world's worst rogue leaders and dictators? What has steeled Barack Obama for the life-and-death decisions which fall on the shoulders of the Commander-in-Chief? Well, according to Bill Clinton, it was his primary race for president against his wife, Hillary Clinton. No, seriously. And he said it with a straight face.

* Bill Clinton also said that Barack Obama proved he had the judgment to be president by picking Joe Biden as his running mate because of Joe Biden's experience in foreign affairs. Which I'm sure was an unintentional, yet nevertheless subtle admission that Barack Obama himself is weak on foreign affairs. Which is exactly what John McCain (and Hillary and Joe Biden before him) have been saying. Thanks, Bubba.

Again, Obama is roughly equivalent to Palin; Biden is roughly equivalent to McCain-- and I wouldn't give you much for any of them as the next President of the United States!


At October 21, 2008 at 6:24 PM , Blogger William Lang said...

Actually, I wouldn't equate Obama and Palin. Obama attended Occidental College, Columbia University, and he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School. Palin attended Hawaii Pacific University, North Idaho College, University of Idaho, Matanuska-Susitna College (in Alaska), then she returned to University of Idaho to complete a bachelor of science in journalism.

At October 21, 2008 at 11:31 PM , Blogger Sierra Faith said...

I most certainly would not equate Obama and Palin either.

Based on education credentials, I would most certainly choose Governor Palin. And I would love to learn more about Obama's college years, but for some reason, he is fearful of revealing them.

But, I digress. . . .

Governor Palin celebrates life and Obama thinks a child is "punishment."

Worse, Obama supports partial birth abortion.

I definitely agree that Obama and Governor Palin are worlds apart.

The choice is easy.

At October 21, 2008 at 11:45 PM , Blogger Eric Schansberg said...

You two are taking me too literally (and I did say "roughly")! ;-)

Let me get more specific: Palin and Obama are similar in terms of experience (lack) and charisma.

At October 21, 2008 at 11:56 PM , Blogger Sierra Faith said...

OK, now I know you are in the pay of the DNC with the "lack of experience" schtick.


If you seriously consider Governor Palin's experience the same (or less) than Obama, then you are a DNC hack.

Name me an occasion when Obama took on his own party without regard to consequences.

You can't.

Compare that to Governor Palin bringing down a sitting governor of her own party.

Not. In. The. Same. League.

At October 22, 2008 at 12:05 AM , Blogger Eric Schansberg said...

Uhh...I'm a Libertarian, so I don't have a pony in this race.

Whatever one thinks about Palin's experience, it is simply not in the same league as Biden and McCain. It is much closer to Obama's. (I think hers is arguably more impressive-- executive vs. legislative, some impressive efforts to fight the status quo and her own party.)

In any case, I don't experience is that big of a deal. (Look what we got from Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II!) But it is what it is.

If it makes you feel better, of the four, I think I would be most pleased with Palin. (McCain, Obama, and Biden set the bar pretty low, but she seems like a limited govt type.)

Are you happy with McCain?

At October 22, 2008 at 12:27 AM , Blogger Sierra Faith said...

Are you happy with Barr?

Yes, McCain will not snatch defeat from the jaws of victory as you advocate vis-a-vis Iraq.

And he will nominate to the Supreme Court minds like Chief Justice Roberts.

Obama will nominate Lefties.

I know, I know, Republicans and Democrats are the same. You know, Democrats vote for Defeat, Republicans vote for Victory.

I suppose you believe Freedom is Slavery too -- the libertarian mind can be so Orwellian (let alone tiresome).

At October 22, 2008 at 12:32 AM , Blogger Eric Schansberg said...

Far happier with Barr (or Baldwin) than McCain.

I think we'll look back on McCain's support for the bailout (etc.) and say that was why he lost (assuming he does).

We've achieved whatever we can on Iraq; it's time to come home.

McCain would nominate better justices than Obama. But why are you confident that he would replicate Bush II instead of Bush I?

No, Reps and Dems are different, but they're both a mess (with a few exceptions).

Good night...see you in the AM?


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