mind over matter (and materialists)

From World, excerpts from Daniel James Devine's interview with Mario Beauregard and Denyse O'Leary, authors of The Spiritual Brain: A Neuroscientist's Case for the Existence of the Soul...

Your mind doesn't get the credit it deserves. Not according to...a new book aiming to show that the mind—as distinct from the brain—is a real entity with nonphysical qualities. That's opposite the current dogma in the field of neuroscience, where materialism—the philosophy that physical matter is all that exists—has held sway, promoting drug treatments for most psychiatric disorders and fueling atheists who argue spirituality is a delusion created by the brain.

Spiritual Brain authors Mario Beauregard, a neuroscientist from the University of Montreal, and Denyse O'Leary, a science journalist who often writes about the Intelligent Design movement, offer a "nonmaterialist" approach to brain science. Drawing on evidence as wide as the placebo effect, near-death experiences, and Beauregard's own research into "religious, spiritual, and/or mystical experiences" (RSMEs), Beauregard and O'Leary make a researched case for the nonmaterial—and ultimately spiritual—nature of man.

WORLD: The Spiritual Brain claims materialism doesn't account for the mind and consciousness. Why not?

O'LEARY: There is no useful materialist account of the mind. The materialist must treat the mind as an illusion created by the activity of neurons in the brain. Yet many treatments of disorders, such as obsessive-compulsive disorder and phobias, depend not only on the existence of the mind but on its control over the brain. The massive placebo effect depends on it.

WORLD: Why? How does a nonmaterialist view placebos?

O'LEARY: The placebo effect (you get better because you think your sugar pill is a wonder drug) is so powerful that in one study men who did not take their placebos were more likely to die than men who did. And in other studies, treatments that were later discovered to be medically useless only stopped working when the doctors began to doubt their value. So you would think that finding a way to harness the placebo effect would be a priority. But no, the priority is explaining it away.

If you think the mind is real and has a major effect on the brain and body, the placebo effect makes sense, and the problem is that so little practical use is made of it. Many people might be better off if they could reduce their medication, for example, by using their own mental faculties more effectively in managing a chronic illness....

WORLD: Your book argues, "When we treat the mind as capable of changing the brain, we can treat conditions that were once considered difficult or impossible to treat." Which conditions?

BEAUREGARD: Anxiety disorders—specific phobias, panic disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder—and mood disorders like major depression. By recognizing that mental processes such as thoughts, feelings, beliefs, and volition can significantly influence the functioning and plasticity of the brain at various levels—molecular, cellular, neural circuitry—nonmaterialist neuroscience could markedly alter the way psychotropic (mind-altering) drugs are prescribed.

WORLD: You seem to believe that "religious, spiritual, and/or mystical experiences" (RSME's) can happen to people of any faith, all of whom contact the same divine reality . . .

BEAUREGARD: Several studies indicate that RSMEs can happen to people of any faith. Being a perennialist, I believe that people of any faith can effectively contact the same divine reality. Since the brain is involved in the mediation of RSMEs, I guess you could call this view a kind of "neuroscientific universalism."

WORLD: Can we learn something particular about God through neuroscience?

BEAUREGARD: Neuroscience can inform us about what is going on in the brain during RSMEs but cannot teach us anything about God or the supernatural. This is why the expression "neurotheology" does not make any sense.

WORLD: What's been the reaction to your nonmaterialist approach, and what do you both see for the future of nonmaterialist neuroscience?

O'LEARY: The biggest challenge for me as a journalist is that popular media are gullible about materialist explanations—willing to believe almost anything if it is materialist—and they often do not even understand nonmaterialist explanations. They really believe that a gene explains spirituality or that epilepsy explains the behavior of great spiritual leaders. This is changing, but only slowly.

BEAUREGARD: A minority of my colleagues are open-minded regarding a nonmaterialist approach. The majority believe that neuroscience should not have anything to do with religion and spirituality.

Currently, materialism represents a central assumption of neuroscience. Therefore, it seems that there is only a handful of nonmaterialist neuroscientists around. However, based on private discussions with colleagues, I suspect that nonmaterialist neuroscientists are more numerous than it appears. But these scientists are afraid to come out because there may be a heavy price to pay.

The old materialist worldview is being progressively superseded by scientific data from a variety of disciplines. Given this, I am firmly convinced that the future of nonmaterialist neuroscience will be bright.