Thursday, September 23, 2010

surface station temperature data bias

I've blogged on this two other times: here and here.

Here's two more websites (hat tip: Bruce Neely)...

SurfaceStation.org, rating "surface stations" by temperature bias...

Breaking down the "surface station" data by state...

4 Comments:

At September 24, 2010 at 9:25 PM , Blogger William Lang said...

Curious that you would post this during a week with record high temperatures in Louisville, and with a record number of 90°+ days for a year set this week.

But the message from the Anthony Watts and his collaborators appears to be that temperatures haven't risen, or at least, we cannot rely upon the data sets that show temperatures have risen. I think it's fair to say that this is simply not correct—temperatures have risen in the last several decades. There is abundant evidence from nature, such as glacier melting, that corroborates the multiple weather station and satellite data sets that show warming.

Where there might be room for debate is whether the warming is due to human activity. But here I am persuaded that the increase in levels of CO2 is primarily to blame, or perhaps I should say, I find the skeptical arguments to be less than convincing. For example, skeptics point to the sun as the primary driver in the climate. But the sun's output hasn't changed by very much, so skeptics argue that the sensitivity of the climate to the sun is higher than climate scientists have determined it to be. But the problem with this argument is that the climate should be even more sensitive to changes in greenhouse gas levels. And temperatures are currently near record levels (set in 1998 and 2005) in spite of a deep and protracted solar minimum.

 
At September 24, 2010 at 9:51 PM , Blogger Eric Schansberg said...

On the timing, I'm confident that my readers will understand the difference between local and global warming!

On Watts, it's important to note that there could easily be bias in the temperature measurements along with warming (whatever its cause and prospective cures). In any case, it seems sloppy to have data collected in an inconsistent manner.

 
At September 24, 2010 at 11:56 PM , Blogger William Lang said...

Of course, the current hot spell is weather, not climate. But you should be aware that for the last two or three decades, the number of record highs has been running at about twice the number of record lows.

It's hard to argue about biases. Perhaps the data, or the scientists, are biased; it's easy to look for data that support your position and easy to ignore data that do not (especially when things are kind of messy). But bias cuts both ways: the fossil fuel industry is spending a lot of money to convince us that global warming is not a real danger.

 
At September 25, 2010 at 7:33 AM , Blogger Eric Schansberg said...

We're definitely in hotter times. Whether that's part of a long-term trend or a part of some cycle, I'm not nearly as sure.

On bias, I didn't mean to imply that this was done out of malice. To the contrary, this strikes me as the sort of thing that would arise to confound to well-intentioned efforts.

 

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