Wednesday, February 13, 2008

secularism-- "religious" and otherwise

A few excerpts from a long article on Secularization by Peter Berger in First Things...


In the second section of the article, Berger defines three types of secularism and describes the challenges that each has with "dynamic religion". In his view, Secularism finds itself in a global context of dynamic religiosity and thus, faces some serious challenges.

Although he does not label the first version, one might call it "Benign Evolutionary" secularism.

First, the term may refer to accepting the consequences for religion [as one piece] of modernity. Social activities that were undertaken in pre-modern societies within a unified institutional context are now dispersed among several institutions [including the Church]....The American case makes clear that secularism, as an ideology that accepts the institutional specialization of religion, need not imply an antireligious animus. This moderate attitude toward religion is then expressed in a moderate understanding of the separation of church and state. The state is not hostile to ­religion but draws back from direct involvement in religious matters and recognizes the autonomy of ­religious institutions.

The second type of secularism, however, is characterized precisely by anti-religious animus, at least as far as the public role of religion is concerned. The French understanding of the state originated in the anti-Christian animus of the continental Enlightenment and was politically established by the French Revolution. This second type of secularism, with religion considered a strictly private matter, can be relatively benign, as it is in contemporary France. Religious symbols or actions are rigorously barred from political life, but privatized religion is protected by law.

The third type of secularism is anything but benign, as in the practice of the Soviet Union and other communist regimes. But what characterizes both the benign and the malevolent versions of laïcité is that religion is evicted from public life and confined to private space. There have been tendencies in America toward a French version of secularism, located in such groups as the American Civil Liberties Union or Americans United for the Separation of Church and State....

All typologies oversimplify social reality, but it is useful to think here of a spectrum of secularisms: There is the moderate version, typified by the traditional American view of church-state separation. Then there is the more radical version, typified by French laïcité and more recently by the ACLU, in which religion is both confined to the private sphere and protected by legally enforced freedom of religion. And then there is, as in the Soviet case, a secularism that privatizes religion and seeks to repress it. Its adherents can be as fanatical as any religious fundamentalists.

All these types of secularism are being vigorously challenged. Even the moderate version of secularism, as institutionalized in an American-style separation of church and state, is being challenged by the contemporary religious movements that reject the differentiation between religious institutions and the rest of society. Their alternative is the dominance of religion over every sphere of human life....

Later in the article, Berger turns to "motive" and the cultural aspects of religion (including those which trump religious belief and practice):

For obvious reasons, most attention is now focused on the radical Islamic challenge....[But] Many Muslims who have no inclination toward terrorism or holy war have similar views. Nor is such a view of religion dominating all of society peculiar to Muslims. The ideal of a Shari’a state has strong similarity with the ideal of a halakhic state propagated by some Orthodox Jewish groups in Israel. In India, the ideology of hindutva has similar ambitions, as have powerful groups within Russian Orthodoxy calling for a “monolithic unity of church and state” (a phrase used recently by a high official of the Moscow Patriarchate). In all these cases, the term fundamentalism is appropriate. In progressive circles in America, comparable ambitions are frequently attributed to evangelical Protestants and Catholics. [But] The attribution is empirically untenable....

One must make an important distinction between movements animated by genuinely religious motives and movements where ­religious labels are attached to agendas that are ­nonreligious.

Admittedly it is difficult to decide which motives are genuinely religious and which are not....

There are also clear instances of religious labels stuck on agendas rooted in very material interests. One such case is the Bosnian conflict, where religious markers were attached to clashes of political and ethnic interests. As P.J. O’Rourke once put it: There are three groups in the Bosnian conflict. They look alike, and they speak the same language. They are divided only by religion, which none of them believe in. Another case is Northern Ireland. And this case is again nicely illustrated by a joke: A gunman jumps out of a doorway, holds a gun to a man’s head and asks, “Are you Catholic or Protestant?” “Actually,” says the man, “I’m an atheist.” “Ah, yes,” replies the gunman, “but are you a Catholic or a Protestant atheist?”


1 Comments:

At February 14, 2008 at 9:49 AM , Blogger Bryce Raley said...

Eric,

I attended your class at Southeast based on your book Turn Neither to the Left Nor the Right and I believe it was called the Barton Video.

I agree that somethings like protection of school prayer and other church and state separation issues are a little thornier than we Christians like to believe.
I agree with a Libertarian stance on some of these issues- basically that we can't legislate our way back into prayer in schools etc.

Maybe our founding fathers believed in a highly secular stance on church and state. I don't believe it myself, but instead I tend to agree with the Barton video that says Jefferson was speaking to denominational rifts within Chrisitianity- this doesn't sovle our problems though.

I believe the reason our country has been blessed is because we've based it on him. The God of the bible. I am fully aware of Jefferson's special bible and Franklins luke warm approach to organized Christianity and fundamentalism, but all in all I think these men realized the God of the bible and his providence are why they were able to establish this democracy and why it has been preserved for some time now.

Here are my concerns.

The secular humanist movement and the liberal left are not going to stop when they get God out of the public square. I firmly believe they will censor it right out of our free speech. I've heard Bob Russell say that Canada has hate speech legislation which Pastors must adhere to. I believe that secular activists like the head of the Americans United for Seperation of Church and State, who is now going after the AFA and all it's financial donor records, will not stop this- similar to the way the Palestineans will not stop trying to destroy Israel once they finally get a state.

These folks don't go home kick the feet up, have a latte, scratch behind the dog's ear and say we've made the world better today. They go home furious because they do not want to hear see or witness anything to do with fundamental christianity.


We don't give them the credit they deserve. I saw two stories the last few days on Fox News which showed the fervor of the liberal left, activists and the ACLU. The first was the situation at Berkeley. These protests are consitutionally protected by all means. When the free speech becomes physical then I have a problem with that. I always find it funny when pacifists have signs that say hateful things.
These folks are burning flags and the whole deal.

The second story was the push for California schools to make bathroom facilities available for transgender children. This has developed because a 7 or 8 year old child and his family are pushing for this in one particular school. The child's shrink was on with Neil Cavuto, and he says the reason why we resist change like this is our unwillingness to learn and grow. He recommended Neil have to explain this ot his 5 and 6 year old boys. Neil was highly offended and explained that this situation represents 1% of American. Why would we spend millions updating school bathrooms for 1% of the population? I predicted this day when I was 18. One of my other predictions was that people could marry animals and possibly get them covered under their health insurance.

ANTYHING GOES!

So in summary I'm OK with pushing back at these secular folks like the ACLU. I don't believe the conservative social activists in this country are quite as fervant as these folks.

On a side note check out Dinesh D'Souza's latest book and blog.

It is an interting theory about islamic terrorism. It builds upon Ron Pauls theory that are attacks were at one time because of our foreign policy. Most attacks until the last two decades were targeted at our military bases and operations. Now they are targeting our homeland. Dinesh says that the cultural liberalism of our country is very offensive to the modest countries of the middle east and the east. His home country of India and he says the same is true of Asian countries, hold to the mantra "yes to modernization but no to westernization"

Doug Wead brought up the point that now in the last 10 years because of American culture Iraqi men can go to the movie theatre and watch pornographic moview via satellite. In all Weads world travels I'm sure he has a pretty good perspective. I believe he has visited or spoken in an astounding number of countries all over the world.


Dinesh says it's not just our culture, but it's more so our organizations like planned parenthood international handing out condoms he young girls in Indonesia and other countries.

 

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